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Re: Odyssey web browser future

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wawa wrote:
if you are not satisfied with my approach and its preferencies

I am happy to see you work on whatever you feel like working on. I am not trying to convince you to do anything.

I just wanted to ensure that you were aware of certain things. So, in case you do run into endianess issues, you know what they are and how to potentially address them (such as switching Webkit versions).

As a software user, I have zero plans to ever run a 68K version of Odyssey so one might think I could not care less if you never released a working executable. But, as a human being, I would prefer to see your hard work produce something of value. That was the reason I commented.

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i would be pleased to add you or anyone who wants to, as a contributor to the repository.

Thanks. I hope you find collaborators.

Personally, I am already contributing to a different repository and I see absolutely no value in switching to this one.

Posted on: 5/6 3:16
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Re: Odyssey web browser future

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so far i undestand most of endian offending code is javascript engine related. so the browser might initially work either on non js sites or with js disabled on big endian systems. from there on it could be looked into. you have yourself pointed me to a patch, remember?

The patches I referenced are all related to very specific Webkit revisions that have never been used with Odyssey on any processor architecture...

(The proper approach would be getting one of them to work on AROS i386 first. Once this is done, you could apply the big endian patch and test on AROS 68K.)

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give me still some time till i give up myself.

Just for the record, nothing in my post should be taken as encouragement to give up on the general idea. I made a constructive suggestion on what to focus on in order to minimize the risk of burning out before you accomplish something tangible that users can run and cherish.

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anyway, thats my problem. my interest is m68k, not x86, not x64, not ppc, which i all try to contribute to by the way as long as it suits all platforms.

As long as you know and understand what you are getting yourself into, please go ahead and enjoy yourself.

In the past, you voiced surprise that there was seemingly underwhelming interest among users and other developers for your efforts, but given the high risk of failure (unless you change focus on a different but older and less modern Webkit revision, which similar platforms have been using for years) and focus on 68K, this seems perfectly plausible to me at this stage of development.

If/when you produce a 68K version that runs reasonably stable and you reach the point when you are ready to not merely port but improve the browser and / or update Webkit, this is when I am sure more people who are outside the 68K camp will take this seriously.

Anyway, I sincerely wish you good luck.

Posted on: 5/5 7:24
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Re: Odyssey web browser future

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yes. im working on the latest deadwoods branch. here is the link again:
https://github.com/wawatok/OdysseyWebB ... r/commits/odyssey-r187682

kas1e, who, interestingly enough, also says of himself that he is not a developer, successfully compiled it for another big endian platform and OS (PowerPC) two or three years ago.

While he had managed to generate a working executable, it almost immediately crashed due to endianess problems in Webkit so - from a user's perspective - it was essentially useless, thus was never released.

kas1e also quite clearly stated that fixing the endianess issues required a profound level of technical knowledge, time and determination that he himself lacked.

As far as I understand, you started this endeavour to eventually be able to run Odyssey on 68K-compatible hardware. If this is your priority, you should most certainly switch to an older version of Odyssey / Webkit that is already known to have been fully adapted for big endian processor architectures.

As it is, you are on your way to produce a 68k executable that, like kas1e's PowerPC version, will be of no real use to anybody.

Posted on: 5/5 3:48
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Re: Odyssey web browser future

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therefore im pretty certain than even someone who does some net coding is much better suited for the task. what i think puts people off is that it is severly time consuming and may not be very rewarding.

If you think it is so easy, feel free to write a tutorial how less technically suave users can get involved and still help. I suppose many simply do not know where to start even if they would be interested to do so.

By the way, are you compiling AROS-Odyssey 1.25 with WebKit r187682 for big endian platforms?

Posted on: 5/5 2:13
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Re: Odyssey web browser future

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just to stress this again, im not a programmer, im just a regular guy without much expertise trying to help with some work. what i do, practically anybody else could do as well.

You are both selling yourself short and vastly overestimating the abilities of average end users.

Posted on: 5/4 21:47
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Re: Odyssey web browser future

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Have you looked at leopard-webkit?

This is still being maintained for both big and little endian systems. If your goal is to support versions for 68k and x86, this should provide a good basis, shouldn't it?

Edit: Nevermind, just read back.

Posted on: 3/27 11:39
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Re: Cinnamon Writer 0.8 Question

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AFAIK Folio is released under the terms of LGPL.

I have not decided on a license so far. Even version 1 is something I consider to be experimental as the code needs a big clean up.

The core editor is LGPL, however. That said, unlike what Michal Schulz says, there is more to it than including a simple link to a cloud-hosted javascript file in order to get something resembling a normal local application.

Posted on: 2/24 11:44
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Re: Quadcore for 35 Euro!

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ALB42 wrote:

I don't want to say do not do it, but I would say it would worth, to invest 30 euro more and buy a real Core 2 Quad (if your really need a Quad, for whatever) for example the Core 2 Quad Q9650, 3 Ghz 95W, cost around 55-65 euro

Alternatively, you could buy a Q8300 (also 95W) for even less than 30 EUR.

Plus, there is always the option to undervolt and / or underclock whatever CPU you can get cheaply to lower your system's power draw and heat generation, which is perfectly safe to do.

The ability to use a 771 socket XEON chip with a 775 socket mainboard is an interesting bit of information and I liked finding out about it but there is little practical value in it when you can actually buy 775 (!) socket quad-core XEON processors for (sometimes far) less than 35 EUR on Ebay...

Posted on: 2016/11/23 1:43
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Re: AresOne 2017 is coming

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The Price is a end Price... I don't know if Brazil will ask you for toll fees.
In some countries computers are toll free.

Duty fees are quite high in Brazil. I knew about it before-hand but was still surprised to witness it with my own eyes. The retail prices for, say, Apple products are roughly twice as high as they are in the US (VAT rates vary depending on the region in either country but still). High duty fees apply to game console such as Sony´s PlayStation or Microsoft´s XBOX as well, which are very, very expensive there (Reference: http://kotaku.com/nintendo-will-no-lo ... games-in-brazi-1678723099).

Because of these high fees, Brazil actually attracts a higher than average amount of local manufacturing. That being said, as video game company Zeebo showed, being massively cheaper than purely imported gaming gear does in no way guarantuee success.

Posted on: 2016/9/18 12:35
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Re: Call for help (humanity style)

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I tried to contact him earlier this month about the status of the animation.datatype bounty project that was assigned to him. Unfortunately, I have not heard back so far.

Donors contributed roughly 250 EUR that could be paid out.

Posted on: 2016/7/2 5:12
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