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Re: Allegro Lib

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(My apologies for the DP: AndoridOS--aye, I know it's dreadful--doesn't like your 'edit post' form...


To clarify: A port to AROS would be easier, given the endian-nature of the other libs involved, as they were all designed for i386.

The way that I phrased the former post makes it seem as if all hope is lost, but it's quite the opposite. I apologise for that: It was entiely my fault for choosing that language.

While supporting multiple platforms is killing me at present, I would prefer to support as many users, and potential users as possible, so...

...I won't ignore the possibility of compiling for this platform, but, as understaffed as 'm, the chances of releasing something spectacular (subjective), is flimsy.

Only time shall decice, or rather, libs compiling without betterment; wresting from them all hope for life; seems an issue too remote to ponder.

It's nice to know that this OS project remains onghoing, though, and all coders, contributors, aqnd testers deserve a pint or two in praise. :D

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Re: Allegro Lib

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Ah.

I asked, mainly because Allegro started on the Amiga playform.

My dev time these days is dedicated to an Allegro game project, and I thought thatbit would be amusing to make it usable on AROS, but my time is sadly limited, and fighting with Allegro, compilers, and our sources is not a tivial task.

If anyone is interested in assisting, feel free to send a PM to me.

The AOS4 port would use the inappropriate endian base for AROS (PPC versus i386).

Posted on: 2/6 15:15
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Allegro Lib

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I am curious: What is the liklihood that the most recent Allegro 4 libs (4.4 and 5.x) could be compiled to run on AROS?

They're primarily used for Linux stuff, but there is some various in-built support for misc. OSes.

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Re: linux hosted icaros ?

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Indeed, as would I...for no other reason than that that '0' seems out of place; though listing Chip-RAM is redundant. From what I've know, there is no way to assign chip-RAM, but then again, AROS addresses all RAM in the same fashion; there is no hardware difference between chip/fast memory, and indeed, no 68000/chipset odd/even cycle to worry about, and no separate DMAC to use in any event.

Remember, the term 'graphics' RAM isn't valid here, and in reality, it never was: Chip-RAM was used by the Amiga chipset, for its own 'co-processor' operations, whereas 'Fast-RAM' was used exclusively by the 680x0. I imagine that Janus assigns a fixed amount of chip-RAM for its emulation routines, but no native application would make that distinction.

The reason for the confusion between 'chip' and 'graphics' terminology is because, on a true Amiga system, the Chip-RAM is directly accessed by the chipset, which is responsible for creating the graphics. (This is why the chip-RAM is either attached to, or contained within Agnus/Alice.)

No version of Agnes was ever released that supported more than 2MB of chip-RAM, though one was, as I recall planned for AA/AA+ that would support 4, 8 or possibly 16MB. In any event, you are working via emulation and graphical API layers to get to your video card, so it's not purposeful to display this information... Then again, it would be nice to see it when Janus is running, but not for any other reason.

Posted on: 2011/9/10 9:04
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Re: Is AROS microkernel?

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In strictest terms, it's a little bit of neither. In actuality, Exec does contain the fundamentals of a microkernel, but AROS is not Exec.

Exec does meet the three basic fundamentals of a microkernel, regardless of how it operates in RAM, as it relies on external drivers, filesystems, etc. to operate, even if they appear to be part of the kernel once loaded, as in theory, it does not need them to operate on its own; although there would be no user experience in the process.

Judging an OS on its kernel type is honestly, grasping at straws.

Posted on: 2011/9/10 4:08
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Re: linux hosted icaros ?

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For Gnome, you need to edit the shortcut keys, which you'll find in the (rightmost) menu. Removing or editing the entries that use a Windows-key should fix this issue. I suggest swapping them to Alt+#! or Alt+Shift+#!, etc., as AROS does not use the Alt key for normal operations. You should also add something like Alt+F to shift in and out of fullscreen mode.

As to the -m option, I'm shocked that AROS would allocate more than exists, but it may use the Linux swap file to allocate the additional MB (beyond physical RAM) that you request. That's up to the host-OS, after all.

Posted on: 2011/9/10 3:47
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Re: linux hosted icaros ?

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What desktop interface are you using with U10.04?

Posted on: 2011/9/7 19:01
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Re: Janus UAE's lack of performance?

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Most of the performance lag seems to come from drawing Intuition objects/functions. I would guess that chipset (probably Agnes) emulation is possibly the fault here, or something to do with video/chip RAM, but I'm not an expert on emulation. Obviously, there is a deal going on translating everything into Wanderer/MUI, but if it's problematic without coherency mode, I expect it is a general chipset emulation fault at the heart of the matter.

I remember quite well when UAE was first released, and dubbed the 'Unusable Amiga Emulator' due to similar problems. WinAUE, which has had the strongest support in terms of development, has seemingly perfected the OCS/ECS/AGA and even JIT compiling aspects, whereas older branches stemming from outdated projects can't compete; at least, not quite yet.

I agree that one must look beyond games to find a usable operating system environment, and both graphical and DTP utilities are critical for productivity. The prime snag is that most of these programmes have been unavailable commercially for years, but remain copyrighted and cannot be easily obtained for a new system.

There were fantastic programming environments for AmigaDOS, right from the onset, and a variety of multi-use tools. The one weak spot was in scientific development tools, such as CAD, where there was always a gigantic yawning chasm on the platform.

Posted on: 2011/9/7 6:07
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Re: Janus UAE... and Amiga OS 3.9

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Just as a precaution, the more you try to cram into the emulation (Janus) end, the less optimal the performance shall become. Most facilities are handled by AROS and by the emulation integration, so a great deal of what goes into making AmigaDOS releases past 3.0/1/2 'newer'/'modern' will merely slow down the system, in terms of strict performance.

You should use AROS for Workbench actions whenever possible, so all the things that make Workbench and WB icons pretty aren't honestly either required or advised.

Try using an AF configuration, and note the speed of display for Workbench generated system windows and icons and compare this to viewing the same path using Wanderer to see what I mean.

The only facility that could be helpful on the AmigaDOS end is a TCP/Ip stack, and I don't know a valid way to integrate one into the system for operation with Janus via the AROS TCP/IP stack.

As I remember, AF normally runs on Windows using a pass-through to the host protocol, but this does not appear to work on Janus either.

Posted on: 2011/9/7 5:53
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Re: Aros on asus eeepc 701

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Whilst slightly off-topic, I can state that AROS does run on Dell's Inspiron 910 ('Mini-9' stateside) netbook; that is a link to repair hardware guide, which should contain some of the key technical details...

I use one of them both for native AROS and for the creation of my Icaros+Revolution project, so you can use it either way, via USB booting.

I haven't tried instilling it on one of the mini-PCIe SSD cards, but it should work, as this is essentially a standard PATA interface using NAND memory and a controller on the PCIe bus. I even have converters to use Flash memory (that is also PATA) and SATA drives. The latter I haven't examined, but it may be a true SATA controller, or it may masquerade as one.

The beautiful thing is that you can buy a 910 for between £35 and £100 (plus P&P, in most cases)!

The 802.11b/g card is not supported, but you can change it to the one supported version, used in the Aspire systems; the Dell machines are an overall better design, although after seeing a USA keyboard, you may want to buy a UK or Europe model... Then again, the UK keyboard is inexpensive.

I advise buying one with a tiny SSD, as these are the lowest priced, and then buy an adapter to use CF memory. YOu can buy this type of adapter on eBay for around £4 including P&P: Mine arrived in a very decorative red textile, sating finish and white satin lined presentation box, embossed with a golden rose; very posh.

I was shocked, as most of what I receive out of HK generally is nude, or in a plain white box. Nevertheless, packaging doesn't make a product.

When have a chance to archive one of my smaller CF cards, I shall install it into my 910 and try doing an AROS configuration on that; then rate it. That's on my 'to do sometime' list.

Once more, it does boot AROS from a USB pen drive (£3), so if you're on a budget, you could potentially buy a model without an SSD or with a corrupted SSD and tinker with it before going further. Do not buy one with that won't run on an AC adapter! if in doubt, ask the seller, as it is possible to damage the charging system, and it is very difficult to trace the fault.

If you damage the circuit path that conducts DC to the battery, the system won't run, as the DC source to the mainboard is powered by the same circuit, and as I recall, it is not traditionally fused.

System with other issues are an easy repair; the system is simple to dismantle, and there are even touch-screen kits and other fancy additions and upgrades for those so inclined.

I don't know what the rather singular supported WiFi card will cost, but I use AROS hosted, so I haven't tried to investigate... The system does have both Ethernet and VGA-out ports, plus three USB 2.0 ports and an SD-card slot, though sadly, the SD card is not a bootable device.

The 910 runs OSX as well--there is a special OSX86 build for it--so it is easy-peay (in relative terms) to create a quad-or-penta-boot system (pure AROS, Linux, BSD, OSX, Windows, etc.) and configurable USB bootstrapping options allow a deal of flexibility: I have a halfp-dozen operating system pen drives on my key fob.

I find it sad that neither MOWS or OS4 run on the i386 platform; it would be brill to see either running, hosted on OSX using Rosetta. I imagine you could use Darwin+Rosetta and the requisite APIs to create a suitable environment without the rest of OSX ...

As to the Asus systems, you should try installing it first to a pen drive. That may solve some of your problems, and will also allow you to use a fully-working 'Icaros' or 'Broadway' environment on the system to discover what AROS sees, in terms of hardware.

I wouldn't use a bare AROS install, as this may require much in the way of extra effort on your part to install: use one of the two packaged versions for optimal results.

Posted on: 2011/9/1 11:09
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