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Re: Mutiny on the Bounty

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@o1i:

That's not true. If there is something really good - and unfortunately there is not much - then a lot of people anre pleased and thank the developer or whatever.

@GreenNight:

Wrong. There are enough programmers for Windows, Linux, Android and OS X which are doing their work for free. Otherwiese wouldn't be so many programs for these operating systems. Especcially the OSx86 scene has tools, drivers and stuff real Mac users never have dreamt of.

I'm sure, if all these open source-programmers in the last 20 years had done just if they get money, no alternative operating system would have worked. AROS exists since 1995, 22 years. Is it a daily useable operating system? No. Too less supported platforms, to less supported hardware, no actual software. OSx86 exists just since 11 years, half the time, and even long-time Mac users are switching to it because Hackintoshes are cheaper and more powerful than real Macs. And the community also had to program lots of PC hardware drivers, and it works from a Pentium 4 to a Xeon 12 core CPU.

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Mutiny on the Bounty

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I want to check out a discussion about the 'Bounty' system which is common in Amiga/AROS/MorphOS scene.

Why is this method used here? Linux, OSx86, Android or other operating systems do not use it. Could that explain the lack of software, because the programmers - although they could - won't start until they get enough cash? And after they have finished it, with enough bugs in the early release, another cashflow must come. If he isn't interested anymore in the project or the system, he leaves the program, perhaps doesn't even make the source code free. Then you have paid for something what won't be supported anymore - Apple-style.

But there are enough other pay-sites, not only some porn video sites, Amazon, Google Play, Apple Store, now also patreon.com and similar. Will this development lead to a view-by-pay internet? This is already common in (internet-based) TV, and television was free for decades.

Imagine if all Linux and OSx86 developers wanted to have money before starting a project. Especcially the Android branch Cyanogenmod was ported to very much platforms. These systems would never come so far, and the legal state also would be different, because not all software is open-source and it couldn't be a total free operating system. I'm in the OSx86 scene since March 2006 and the only forum was insanelymac.com. I donated twice to the forum, because this was useful to *ALL* users, not only to one person. TonyMacx86 makes useful software, but although his software is free, his forum is banned by other OSx86 forums because his software isn't open source.

The weirdest thing made the OSx86 developer JaS. He was very famous in 10.4.x DVD's, although his 10.4.8 DVD had a very big error. Then he started a website 'Donate for my Macbook Pro'. This was absolutely 'lowest drawer', if you know the expression. It would be sure what will happen, if he had the money for his Macbook, he'll stop developing OSx86. And he did, much later he made a Leopard Server 10.5.4 DVD, which also had its faults.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not used to take money. I don't have much, neither have my friends. I'm doing everything for free. A 'thanks' is enough for me. Well, perhaps it's not just me, OSx86 and Linux users are thinking the same way.

What do you think, is the 'Bounty' system, combined with the fact that only a few programmers in the Amiga scene are existing, a reason for the lack of software? Would it be an advantage to get programmers think the idea of 'making the OS more useful' is better than getting money?

Greets

Posted on: 4/12 1:02

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Re: Components for multiboot system

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Do you mean this thread?

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/vi ... php?topic_id=8762&forum=4

I already posted there, but Kalamantee said I should start a new thread. So I did.

So, if there are compatibility issues (and there may be enough), why is the forum not creating a wiki like in the OSx86 scene? The are listing compatible baords, bards, laptops etc. since version 10.4.1, with error descriptions etc.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.4.1

10.4.1 is the first OSx86 version available, 11 years ago. Now version 10.12.4 is coming, this are 63 subversions since then. And for every version exists a wiki like this.

Wouldn't it be possible to do something similar? Not just comments like *may be working* *possibly* *depends on manufacturer* etc.? A real wiki with manufacturers, device ID's and a full error description. Especcially for laptops or netbooks this would be useful.

Posted on: 3/9 0:26

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Re: Components for multiboot system

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It's weird, I have a place where to find the coolest items. Actually there's another server board there, including RAM and two CPUs. Specs are not bad:

http://www.tyan.com/Motherboards_S5375_S5375AG2NR

The weirdest thing I found there was another Tyan or Supermicro board, for two Pentium II Slot 1 and nine (!) PCI slots. But I didn't buy it, the format of this board was so unusual, it would have fit in no case.

A Dual-CPU board is an interesting project. First, they look cool because the boards are so huge. The quadcore processors of the Xeon E54xx oder L54xx series are cheap, starting at 10 Euro. Server boards also take a lot of memory, and I got 64 GB of DDR2/667 Fully Buffered RAM for just 70 Euro. A great case for a project like this is the Coolermaster Cosmos 1000, now I'm trying an Aerocool Aero 800 with a black glass window. Although it's stated as ATX case, the Supermicro board fits in it, and they're using their own size Enhanced E-ATX which is larger than Extended ATX. The whole case is filled with the board, and even the 15,5 cm high Fujitsu CPU coolers fit in. But an usual 5,25" DVD drive won't fit in the length, probably a slimline DVD drive will work.

Posted on: 3/8 15:14
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Re: Components for multiboot system

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Yes. PCI-X is just a 64bit Extension for PCI. The important thing are the bars in the port. The bar at front identifies that the PCI slot is 3.3V, like on my board. The Soundblaster has noteches at the front and at the back, so it's compatible to 3.3V and 5V PCI slots. More about PCI-X here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X

PCI-X cards *can* be backward-compatible. I have two PCI-X cards in my other server system, a LaCie Firewire 800 card made for the PowerMac and an LSI Dual-Wide-SCSI-controller. They are working in a standard (32bit) PCI slot on every board, but don't have the 64 bit abilities then.

It's the same like with PCI-Express. You can use a x1 card in an x16 slot, but you also can use a PCI-E x16 card in an x8 slot, but don't have all lanes for maximum speed. My board has four PCI-E x8 slots, one only with x4 speed. I have to cut a hole at the end of the x8 slots for the graphic card. According to some tests, even at gaming it the speed difference between x16 and x8 ist just between 2 to 10% lower, so it's not very important.

Posted on: 3/8 14:41

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Components for multiboot system

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Hello,

I'm actually building another Dual-CPU system based on a Supermicro X7DWN+ server board:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/mo ... /Xeon1333/5400/X7DWN_.cfm

Some modifications will be neccessary because the board has only PCI-E x8 ports, it also has no audio. But that's not so bad at all. Of course it should be a multiboot system:

- Windows
- OSx86
- AROS
- MS-DOS 6.22 (not FreeDOS)

I've checked the components, the Soundblaster Live! 5.1 should be compatible to all operating systems, including MS-DOS. It also features a game port, which is missing on all boards today.

The problem is as usual the graphics card. In the wiki about supported graphic cards is this statement:

"The best graphics card a person can buy for AROS is a 9800gtx, followed by other 9800 variations, followed by 9600GT, followed by 8800GTS."

So the best graphics card should be the GeForce 9800GTX+. It seems that it is OSx86-compatible, too.

I can get a Soundblaster Live! and a XFX GeForce 9800GTX+ Black Edition. Are these components compatible to AROS, including 3D graphics support?

Greets

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Re: Nvidia's 9800GT vs the 9800GTX.

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I can get an XFX Geforce 9800 GTX+ and a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 for a few bucks. The soundblaster should work, what about the graphics card? I finally want to get a system which is really 100% AROS compatible.

Posted on: 3/8 4:24
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Re: Nvidia's 9800GT vs the 9800GTX.

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What manufacturer is your 9800GTX+ or doesn't it matter? Are there better graphic cards for AROS available?

Posted on: 3/7 0:27
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Re: Quadcore for 35 Euro!

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You just reminded me... I also have an old laptop.

I found a 14 year old 17" HP Pavilion 7000 series laptop in the trash, in very good condition, even the display. Although absolutely not supported by HP, I managed to get Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit fully working, even with Aero transparency. It also works with Leopard 10.5.8. The system has OpeGL, Core Image and Quartz Extreme, which is neccessary for OS X. However, the graphics chip is just recognized as PCI, not AGP, so it's very slow. AGPGart works not correctly.

It was weird: I found no information about this thing, had to check the hadware components via vendor and device ID's. The laptop has a Pentium 4 with 3 GHz and Hyperthreading, so it's not too bad. I's also socketed, and I want to upgrade to a 3.2 GHz Pentium 4. I've upgraded the laptop to 2 GB RAM, a 320 GB IDE hard drive, and instead of the DVD drive I added an 1 TB 12,5 mm SATA HD The graphics chip is a Geforce mobility 5200 GO, is it compatible to AROS? My preferred Linux, ZorinOS 9, just results in a black screen, also Android-x86.

Sabbate, is it useful to upgrade a Pentium 4 laptop with a SSD? You won't get more speed out of it as the data bus allows.

Posted on: 2016/11/24 9:03
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Re: Quadcore for 35 Euro!

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Hm, I saw yesterday a YouTube link of this, but i didn't watch.

The use of this thing is also not very sure. The board with 4 Gig RAM and an Intel ATOM Quadcore 500 MHz is $149, but with all addons you come to about $250. For this money you can get various Atom-powered netbooks. Smaller laptops will also do, the Lenovo x61 with 2 GHz Core 2 Duo is also about 240 Euro. AROS works on it, I have a Thinkpad X61 Tablet.

There are various devices to use. If you want something special, you can get a develeoper board, if you want something reliable, get a desktop PC or a laptop with standard hardwre components.

Posted on: 2016/11/24 0:36
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