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Re: Dell A2024 All-In-One PC

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I also noticed that Windows showed an EFI bootloader, although in the manuals nothing was metioned about EFI. If anyone knows if AROS supports the GeForce 9600 GT Mobile I was thinking to install it to an USB stick, which is permanently attached. This should solve the SATA problem. I already have used the partition for Linux and Android-x86.

ntromans: This is an All-In-One PC with a setup similar to a laptop. It has two free Mini-PCI-Express-cards, one for WLAN and one for DVB-T. I removed this card, but there's very less space above it. I'm thinking of using an Mini-PCI-E to PCI-Express x1 port adapter with a flat ribbon cable, this is probably the most flexible solution.

It would be great to get this thing working with AROS, not only because it's my only computer which has a Geforce card, it looks nice and the display is great.

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Re: Dell A2024 All-In-One PC

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So, booting in IDE mode works, but the installer doesn't detect the free space on the HD. Installing on USB is also not possible, it crashes when it should start formatting.

I have a Icaros Desktop 2.02 beta DVD which results sometimes in an error of the Intel Management Engine, which brings a red warning message and ejects the DVD.

At least it is now possible to create an 2.2.1 USB system, I hope the USB installer script works, so that I can boot later without DVD in AHCI mode.

EDIT: The Installer from the 2.2.1 DVD copied just 225 MB. I could run the installer script, but the stick is not bootable.

Posted on: 9/16 15:46

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Dell A2024 All-In-One PC

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Hello,

I have some problems with this computer. I got it for less than 100 Euro and it'S a nice device with a 24" 1920x1200 display. Specifications:

- Core 2 Duo E7200 2.53 GHz, upgraded to Xeon L5430 (4x 2,66 GHz, 12M L2-cache, 50W TDP)
- 1,5 TB HD
- 4 GB RAM (actually single channel)
- GeForce 9600M GT 512 MB (MXM2 card, ID 0x649)
- Intel ICH10 SATA AHCI Controller (2 ports, one for 3,5" HD, one for DVD)
- Realtek ALC262 Audio
- Intel 82567V-2 Gigabit LAN
- Broadcom 4328 WLAN
- Bluetooth
- LSI Firewire controller
- Ricoh card controllers
- integrated Logitech keyboard/trackpad + mouse controller
- FINTEK eHome Infrared Transceiver
- Webcam
- WLAN and DVB-T on Mini PCI-Epress-cards

In OSx86 the most things are working except the video card, it only works in VESA mode. It seems to use the G92 chipset which should be supported by AROS.

But there's no way to test it. I downloaded the Icaros Desktop version 2.2.1 DVD. It takes rather long until GRUB is initialized, after selecting an option there's some text output and then the image 'Waiting for bootable device' appears. I always get the grey screen with a triangle pointer. That's whats happening when I boot in AHCI mode:

Default: A Software failure pops up:

Program failed
Task: 00586A940 - Boot Mount
Error: 0x80000004 - Illegal Instruction
PC: 0xF000F0A4
Wait for disk activity to finish

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-oj-1241.jpg

After selecting 'Suspend' nothing happens anymore. Other modes result in a DOS window which lists lots of C: commands with the note 'not found'.

I've tried now IDE mode, this may work. However, I have to switch back to AHCI later, for Windows and OS X.

Another thing which is best to know before the final installtion: I have 60 GB free for AROS, the second primary MBR partition. I want to removed it to partition it manually with HDToolBox. Now there's the question: I'm using the Clover bootloader from OSx86. It's compatible to Windows and Linux, but I don't think to AROS. If select GRUB during the Icaros Desktop installation, it will be written in the MBR. But there's Clover, with an own 128 MB partition in the HFS+ filesystem. Linux allows to install the GRUB bootloader in its own partition, is this possible with AROS? Then it would be possible to add it in the Windows bootloader with EasyBCD. I had then to leave a 128 MB partition (or what's neccessary for GRUB and AROS Kickstart) install it there and let the rest empty for AROS.

Is there a command to install the AROS GRUB on a partition format which is readable by Windows?

Greets, RC.

Posted on: 9/16 13:35

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Re: Mutiny on the Bounty

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@o1i:

That's not true. If there is something really good - and unfortunately there is not much - then a lot of people anre pleased and thank the developer or whatever.

@GreenNight:

Wrong. There are enough programmers for Windows, Linux, Android and OS X which are doing their work for free. Otherwiese wouldn't be so many programs for these operating systems. Especcially the OSx86 scene has tools, drivers and stuff real Mac users never have dreamt of.

I'm sure, if all these open source-programmers in the last 20 years had done just if they get money, no alternative operating system would have worked. AROS exists since 1995, 22 years. Is it a daily useable operating system? No. Too less supported platforms, to less supported hardware, no actual software. OSx86 exists just since 11 years, half the time, and even long-time Mac users are switching to it because Hackintoshes are cheaper and more powerful than real Macs. And the community also had to program lots of PC hardware drivers, and it works from a Pentium 4 to a Xeon 12 core CPU.

Posted on: 4/12 3:20
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Mutiny on the Bounty

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I want to check out a discussion about the 'Bounty' system which is common in Amiga/AROS/MorphOS scene.

Why is this method used here? Linux, OSx86, Android or other operating systems do not use it. Could that explain the lack of software, because the programmers - although they could - won't start until they get enough cash? And after they have finished it, with enough bugs in the early release, another cashflow must come. If he isn't interested anymore in the project or the system, he leaves the program, perhaps doesn't even make the source code free. Then you have paid for something what won't be supported anymore - Apple-style.

But there are enough other pay-sites, not only some porn video sites, Amazon, Google Play, Apple Store, now also patreon.com and similar. Will this development lead to a view-by-pay internet? This is already common in (internet-based) TV, and television was free for decades.

Imagine if all Linux and OSx86 developers wanted to have money before starting a project. Especcially the Android branch Cyanogenmod was ported to very much platforms. These systems would never come so far, and the legal state also would be different, because not all software is open-source and it couldn't be a total free operating system. I'm in the OSx86 scene since March 2006 and the only forum was insanelymac.com. I donated twice to the forum, because this was useful to *ALL* users, not only to one person. TonyMacx86 makes useful software, but although his software is free, his forum is banned by other OSx86 forums because his software isn't open source.

The weirdest thing made the OSx86 developer JaS. He was very famous in 10.4.x DVD's, although his 10.4.8 DVD had a very big error. Then he started a website 'Donate for my Macbook Pro'. This was absolutely 'lowest drawer', if you know the expression. It would be sure what will happen, if he had the money for his Macbook, he'll stop developing OSx86. And he did, much later he made a Leopard Server 10.5.4 DVD, which also had its faults.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not used to take money. I don't have much, neither have my friends. I'm doing everything for free. A 'thanks' is enough for me. Well, perhaps it's not just me, OSx86 and Linux users are thinking the same way.

What do you think, is the 'Bounty' system, combined with the fact that only a few programmers in the Amiga scene are existing, a reason for the lack of software? Would it be an advantage to get programmers think the idea of 'making the OS more useful' is better than getting money?

Greets

Posted on: 4/12 1:02

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Re: Components for multiboot system

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Do you mean this thread?

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/vi ... php?topic_id=8762&forum=4

I already posted there, but Kalamantee said I should start a new thread. So I did.

So, if there are compatibility issues (and there may be enough), why is the forum not creating a wiki like in the OSx86 scene? The are listing compatible baords, bards, laptops etc. since version 10.4.1, with error descriptions etc.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.4.1

10.4.1 is the first OSx86 version available, 11 years ago. Now version 10.12.4 is coming, this are 63 subversions since then. And for every version exists a wiki like this.

Wouldn't it be possible to do something similar? Not just comments like *may be working* *possibly* *depends on manufacturer* etc.? A real wiki with manufacturers, device ID's and a full error description. Especcially for laptops or netbooks this would be useful.

Posted on: 3/9 0:26

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Re: Components for multiboot system

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It's weird, I have a place where to find the coolest items. Actually there's another server board there, including RAM and two CPUs. Specs are not bad:

http://www.tyan.com/Motherboards_S5375_S5375AG2NR

The weirdest thing I found there was another Tyan or Supermicro board, for two Pentium II Slot 1 and nine (!) PCI slots. But I didn't buy it, the format of this board was so unusual, it would have fit in no case.

A Dual-CPU board is an interesting project. First, they look cool because the boards are so huge. The quadcore processors of the Xeon E54xx oder L54xx series are cheap, starting at 10 Euro. Server boards also take a lot of memory, and I got 64 GB of DDR2/667 Fully Buffered RAM for just 70 Euro. A great case for a project like this is the Coolermaster Cosmos 1000, now I'm trying an Aerocool Aero 800 with a black glass window. Although it's stated as ATX case, the Supermicro board fits in it, and they're using their own size Enhanced E-ATX which is larger than Extended ATX. The whole case is filled with the board, and even the 15,5 cm high Fujitsu CPU coolers fit in. But an usual 5,25" DVD drive won't fit in the length, probably a slimline DVD drive will work.

Posted on: 3/8 15:14
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Re: Components for multiboot system

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Yes. PCI-X is just a 64bit Extension for PCI. The important thing are the bars in the port. The bar at front identifies that the PCI slot is 3.3V, like on my board. The Soundblaster has noteches at the front and at the back, so it's compatible to 3.3V and 5V PCI slots. More about PCI-X here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X

PCI-X cards *can* be backward-compatible. I have two PCI-X cards in my other server system, a LaCie Firewire 800 card made for the PowerMac and an LSI Dual-Wide-SCSI-controller. They are working in a standard (32bit) PCI slot on every board, but don't have the 64 bit abilities then.

It's the same like with PCI-Express. You can use a x1 card in an x16 slot, but you also can use a PCI-E x16 card in an x8 slot, but don't have all lanes for maximum speed. My board has four PCI-E x8 slots, one only with x4 speed. I have to cut a hole at the end of the x8 slots for the graphic card. According to some tests, even at gaming it the speed difference between x16 and x8 ist just between 2 to 10% lower, so it's not very important.

Posted on: 3/8 14:41

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Components for multiboot system

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Hello,

I'm actually building another Dual-CPU system based on a Supermicro X7DWN+ server board:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/mo ... /Xeon1333/5400/X7DWN_.cfm

Some modifications will be neccessary because the board has only PCI-E x8 ports, it also has no audio. But that's not so bad at all. Of course it should be a multiboot system:

- Windows
- OSx86
- AROS
- MS-DOS 6.22 (not FreeDOS)

I've checked the components, the Soundblaster Live! 5.1 should be compatible to all operating systems, including MS-DOS. It also features a game port, which is missing on all boards today.

The problem is as usual the graphics card. In the wiki about supported graphic cards is this statement:

"The best graphics card a person can buy for AROS is a 9800gtx, followed by other 9800 variations, followed by 9600GT, followed by 8800GTS."

So the best graphics card should be the GeForce 9800GTX+. It seems that it is OSx86-compatible, too.

I can get a Soundblaster Live! and a XFX GeForce 9800GTX+ Black Edition. Are these components compatible to AROS, including 3D graphics support?

Greets

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Re: Nvidia's 9800GT vs the 9800GTX.

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I can get an XFX Geforce 9800 GTX+ and a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 for a few bucks. The soundblaster should work, what about the graphics card? I finally want to get a system which is really 100% AROS compatible.

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