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Re: Aros with visual studio cmake support?

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Very useful, and I think that it might apply as well to AROS, with the proper changes.

But also very complicated: a pre-built environment would be appreciated.

Posted on: 10/25 21:45
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Re: Aros with visual studio cmake support?

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I also prefer VS (the Community edition is free), because it's much more complete. However it takes 10+GB of free space, and some time to load.

Visual Studio Code might be a good alternative.

I've already saw the Linux debugger link. In theory it should work with AROS too. But first the environment should be setup for AROS, and not for Linux.

Posted on: 10/24 12:49
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Re: Aros with visual studio cmake support?

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In theory yes, but some AROS dev, which has knowledge of the build system, should take a look.

Anyway, Windows 10 now has support for the Linux user-land (the so called "bash": it installs a complete Ubuntu or OpenSUSE user-land subsystem), so it's also possible to develop AROS the same as on Linux.

The "problem" is that Windows developers like to use Windows tools, with Visual Studio on top, of course.

As a plus, now there's also Visual Studio Code which is a much lighter IDE with nice extensions. This is multi-platform. But the quality is not comparable to Visual Studio, of course.

Posted on: 10/20 22:09
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Re: Vampire hyper threading and aros smp

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cdimauro wrote:
I'm not interested, thanks.


nothing to be thankful for. you are interested though to write roadmaps for others.

I don't see how the two things are logically related. But we know how logic tends to disappear when people are involved in something (by being part of or "just" being fanatic of).

Anyway, I've already asked to Olaf and I can do the same with: you can tell me what's wrong with my statements.
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I've ordered and tomorrow arrives this new toy: Beelink AP34 Apollo Lake N3450 MINI PC

It's an Apollo core based too, as you can see, but I think it'll give me a much better Amiga experience, thanks to the incredible work which Toni Wilen did.


good luck, but who cares what you run your uae on?

Come on: it's an Apollo core too! Only a bit more powerful, and quite cheaper (got an offer for 160€).

You talk about UAE, but what should really count is the Amiga experience and not how to achieve it.

y = f(x)

I give x as input, and I receive y as output. But I don't care about f.

For f, I prefer WinUAE which IMO (M = MY. Just to stress the point) gives the best experience:
- fully functional CPU with FPU and MMU;
- very fast;
- fully compatible;
- plenty of RAM (both fast and chip);
- plenty of devices (storage, joysticks/pads, etc);
- RTG;

I can execute whatever Amiga platform and games & applications I want. That's the fun.

Posted on: 7/6 22:29
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Re: Vampire hyper threading and aros smp

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I'm not interested, thanks.

I've ordered and tomorrow arrives this new toy: Beelink AP34 Apollo Lake N3450 MINI PC

It's an Apollo core based too, as you can see, but I think it'll give me a much better Amiga experience, thanks to the incredible work which Toni Wilen did.

Posted on: 7/5 8:47
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Re: Vampire hyper threading and aros smp

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Only if you don't want...

Posted on: 7/4 22:11
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Re: Vampire hyper threading and aros smp

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might be that current used FPGAs are too small and it will only be available in bigger FPGAs like those used in the standalone devices

If the current FPGA is too small, then avoid wasting a lot of resources with a big and wide registers file (128 64-bit registers) and alien (to the Amiga plaform) features like AMMX, 64-bits, Hyperthreading, which waste resources, and better dedicate them to a 68060-compliant FPU.
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With regards to space for additional features like FPU;

Wont an upgrade to a larger FPGA accomodate that?

They can use a bigger FPGA for the standalone board, which has nothing and everything should be created from scratch.

But an Amiga 500/600 and especially an Amiga 1200 have already the chipset available. Here a real accelerator is more useful to take advantage of the existing software.
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as I understand it Gunnars FPU is far more better than the old FPUs, but needs special code to use and show it and because of that he asked for developers to write special code that shows it like it happened with Riva.

As I've already said, that's a lame excuse: you don't need ad-hoc software to use the Super-Scalar FPU.

Such FPU, which seems to be 68060-compatible, should be already able to execute existing software which uses an FPU.

Of course, not at full speed, but WAYYYY better than the SoftFPU.
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Steps in the right direction:

The comparison on apollo-core is now changed to:
"Apollo 68080 CPU (performance ~ 250MHz 68ec040)"

Glad to see this. It means some major points of my criticism are no longer true!
(Will apollo-accellorators be next?)

They started to understand the Motorola nomenclature for 68K processors.

Next step: give proper labels to their 68080 versions.

Posted on: 7/4 12:40
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ALB42 wrote:

I'm not unhappy with my Vampire, the opposite, and I wanted to use my voice to make it better. (I even started to check the special AMMX/counter features)

AMMX isn't "better": it's an awful SIMD implementation. Better don't waste time with such abominations.
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I NEVER said that, read carefully I wrote at least two time that "I know that I'm a minority."

Better being minorities than minions.
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As I wrote... Gunnar could and should communicate the goals of the project and current situation

They communicate better than many others but there is still room for improvement. You would need something for people that are not there f.e. lack of time like a blog

Actually I think that they won the award for the worse communication ever. Not even Hyperion did this mess.
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Yes it is sold as it is but if you understand the main goals you understand priorities and why they do this or that. If main goal would just be to offer just a new accellerator with compatibility as main goal then decisions would be different. Obviously some people just wanted that.

They are accelerators: they are published and sold as accelerators. FPU included.

Their "main" goals aren't understandable. At least not as common-sense would suggest.

I've already exposed much better & useful roadmaps/goals: what do you think that it's wrong with them?

Posted on: 7/4 12:26
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Posted on: 7/3 22:15
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