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Re: Insane in da brain ?

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I do not like Putin (as a person) either, We in Sweden have a common Russ fear going back to the time we were in war with Russia (and the rest of the world)...

But I would like you to be careful, as you have Russian members in here too. Some "may like" Putin, and perhaps read that being negative to Putin is the same as being negative to Russia and... to them, the human brain works in mysterious ways most of the time.

just a thought!


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Re: A small project to turn OWB into a small ApplicationBrowser

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@kalamatee - than you for your feedback.


Anyway, a small drawback with classic ASP, some problems with multiple FTP connections to AROS server, had to turn to php instead...

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Re: Icaros with supported hardware...etc....

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Hello there

If you could tell us what laptop you have?

If you know the inner details of your computer then you could se here if it has what is reqiured...


Posted on: 3/22 0:31
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Re: A small project to turn OWB into a small ApplicationBrowser

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Well then...

I must be blind, But that does not stop me, I am going to cross that bridge even if I do not see. I do not care if I fall down into that river.

Yes! there is some nice javascripts just as the nice gui things I referered to... But as I see it (even if I am blind) it is useless in AROS unless there is some file I/O aswell


Posted on: 3/21 2:59
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Re: A small project to turn OWB into a small ApplicationBrowser

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ok!

I know... I could do that if I only want to display it... with no further processing... In fact, I do not need to use OWB at all for that...

!BUT! the reason for doing this experiment, is in some time from now... create a GUI (note it is the GUI that is my main focus here) a gui that could be anything from:
configure tool for themes
syntax highlighted startup-sequence editor
icon manipulating (png) in javascript

A specialized GUI that present the data in some specialized way.

And provide some easy way to save it back...

Yea I know! AmiLUA, FPC, Cpp, E... all exists

but ahhh

try this in OWB

password to read only admin is thecus
http://thecusos6.thecuslink.com:8080/index.php
------------------------------
or some widgets in OWB
http://jqueryui.com/demos/

Do you see what I see?

The GUI rendering engine... is there, it only needs some way to connect to AROS. to get data in and out.

Posted on: 3/20 14:43
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A small project to turn OWB into a small ApplicationBrowser

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And... probably some do not like that, but I do not care...

I am going to write about my findings.... perhaps some ideas could be useful, perhaps not. And I do not give a damn...

If it is useful even for one person, it is fine.

Now here is some things that this could be used for...
use your imagination.






Click to see original Image in a new window


Here is what I am trying to do:
in AROS and in OWB load a local GUI interface written in a HTML file...
noted as #1 and #2 in image

But as OWB in its present state lacks local file access, I have to create a kind of workaround... This because I lack knowledge to modify OWB myself to make another branch (application) of it to work as I wish in this case.

Some good luck though, there is one AROS FTP server. that's in this testcase is allowed to access all sys drive...

But how do I access FTP from OWB ? and get content from files or dirs or files list???

I have to create a solution that runs on some active server, in this case I have chosen IIS7 on Win7:64, and are doing it in classic asp. This active server lies inbetween the AROS FTP and AROS OWB to allow OWB to access dirs on AROS and even the file content inside in files that resides in AROS.

So the active server get a request from OWB to (for example) request a dirlist... the server connects to AROS FTP and retrives the dirlist, the dirlist is reworked to an XML list and passed back to OWB, which then can do whatever it likes with it.

The same idea is thought of, when it comes to manipulating files thru OWB in some way or another... But the difference would be that the file should be "copied" via the FTP connection to the server... the content should be "feed" into OWB. That could do something with it. Then OWB push the modified stuff back to server, which saves it localy and FTP it to AROS...


Now this is a lot of roundtrips, to make something... but IF and IF I like the idea, I "think" I have the tools to create a specialized app server on AROS that could do some or all of the W7:64:IIS7 & AROS:FTP server has to do now. eliminating the roundtrips...


Currently I have done steps 4 & 5 & 6 in the image provided. And for now when experimenting only focus on dirlist.

Posted on: 3/20 12:37
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Re: FPC and perhaps C and so - mixed questions

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Hmmm I reread your last post, the translation error lies in that you think I mean "remote" HTA application, I do certainly not mean that... I mean local applications with local access, no internet access unless specified and approved by the user.

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Re: FPC and perhaps C and so - mixed questions

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And that would differ from lua / python / rexx in what way?

The difference is the "easy-to-use" built in GUI engine... and as that also is built in, "network access"

But there is no need to discuss it anymore... There is an error in the translation... And we all know that my language skills lacks something, so we assume that error is local ;)

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Re: FPC and perhaps C and so - mixed questions

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well I have investigated feeling...

and what I came up with was that, you van't define a button in that gui and then call a method for that button inside the same document... Then you need to go back to some external "language" to interact...

It is not a generic application to do things quickly?. C or E or Pascal or python? then you still need to learn.

But javascript and htmltags? ok you still need to learn, but it is my beleive, that there are more "potential" contributors in that area, then specific Amish inner cirkel of coders.

And the more contributors, the more boost to the system(s).

Nevermind... Everyone just read my words, None understand my brain.


PS: gui4cli, I have used.... both on Amiga in the days, and in Windows... it is just as you said, an interface to DOS/CLI.

PPS: passcript with classes? ok? how do I then invoke that in a kind of "form" file that is built up like
<html>
<
head>
<
script language='passcript'>
Procedure winLClick;
Begin
  showMessage
('clicked');
End;
</script>
</head>
<application id=>
  <Window id= title= onlmb=winLClick onrmb=WinRClick pos>
 <!-- and use "real" htmltags aswell -->
    <button pos= onclick=>Labeltext</button>
  </Window>
</application>
</html>




[WARNING FOR WHINING]

The sadest buhu part of this, is that the GUI framework, the script engine exists, it just needs some modification and adjustment... (perhaps big, perhaps small?) it is called OWB. It should NOT be OWB itself, it could be compiled as AB (applicationbrowser).

One OWB with filesys and restricted netaccess that only should be allowed by user manually.

Have you scanned the web lately? have you, like I been more then amazed by the stuff ppl come up with?

Stuff that would work just as good as a "real application" ? stuff already existing... Stuff that is platform independent... Stuff already "waiting" to be put inside Aros, when the time is right.

But... that stuff lacks something... local, local and local... access to files, how good that things are, it still sucks on file management and local access. Sure, I could build a "server" application (in windows) that serve a browser like OWB with a gui and access to a smaller part on that servers filesys.

But what good does that do, when you do not have local access to the file in that "application".

I do NOT say that it would rule out Pascal, C or E... I just say it is a complement, to other types of developers.

[/WARNING FOR WHINING]


// Edit, I thought of an idea to implement a test case, it will take some roundtrips if it works, but I wish to proof that it works, and it could be useful. It could take some time though, but... I WILL BE BACK.

Posted on: 3/18 14:44

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Re: FPC and perhaps C and so - mixed questions

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?

I think you misunderstood...

What I meant, and... what I have spoken of earlier in other threads and at some other time...

Is like having the inner workings of OWB without the OWB Window... instead the htmlpage itself could "build" it's interface thru special custom htmltags, like...
<html>
<
head>
<
script language=?>
methods(); {};
....
....
</script>
</head>
<app name='aname'>
  <window title='text' sysgads='close|???' onlmb=method onrmb=method pos='0,0,640,480'>
  <textarea pos='0,0,640,360'></textarea>
  <button pos='0,360,64,120' onlmb='clickmethod' onrmb='contextmethod'>A Button</button>
</window>
</app>


That "thing" should have full access to filesys, and also net access - but only for user configured destinations.

Now I can't do this... but still I wan't it to exist.

Yes the idea is like the HTA in Windows, actually it IS like that, but with extensions and restrictions.

Such a thing would be a huge asset I think... of-course you have amilua, but still... the html way is the by far most easiest and fastest way as I know of to build graphical (GUI) stuff. Throw in a buttontag, call a method on that event... and run the "browser" app with the page...

But... As I said, I can't do that, and can't afford to hire someone to do that either.

So... I wait until the right tools are available, then perhaps it might be "invented" to some degree....

I think such a tool could "boost" smaller utilities like config stuff, helpfile engine? smaller editors? picviewer? iconchanger? the limits lies in the imagination of the (reader)... And no need to learn lua, python, Cpp, Pascal, E or other things. Any visitor interested in Aros (perhaps one old Amigauser) could throw in a contribution.

It might not be fast, it might not be the best code... But it is something instead of nothing... If the idea is good, it surely will be recoded into binary form...

But enough of that, I just simply liked to express that I was misunderstood.



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