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Re: Vampire hyper threading and aros smp

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From my POV Apollo team is doing a great job. Let´s start be positive about it.

- Old 68K Amiga computers are compatible with old code, but slow and obsolete now.
- PowerPC Amiga computers are not compatible with old code (only with emulation), relative fast and now arquitecture is obsolete too, outside from server´s market. No future for it.
- X86 is great and fast but no compatible with old code (only through emulation) and difficult to get stable drivers due to the infinite hardware´s providers. Impossible to get a fully compatible driver, so AROS development could become eternal and slow.
- Apollo CPU highly compatible with old code, relative fast and has important enhancements to run nowadays code on it. I think is the perfect gate between old hardware, old software, AROS and new software too.

Lets try to run old code on an i7/i9/Ryzen CPU without emulator, drivers or patches and let´s see what happens... Because there is no fully compatibility too with an old 8086, 80286, 80386 PC....

I understand there is people who have invested thousand of hours developing and working in their own business/solution for the Amiga market and probably they do not see with good eyes Apollo core. But are the users the ones they choose what to use and what not...

And regarding Vampire boards sold... Market says Apollo Core is the way :)

Cheers,
Rollmeter


I'd agree with many of the points above, and certainly as an open and known system AROS can be optimised to be the perfect fit for Vampire/Apollo, but that shouldn't be at the expense of the other branches.

It's difficult to see the 68k solutions ever matching the raw power, low cost point and immediate availability of x86 hardware. Sure, finding compatable systems can be an utter a pain (see my 'New hardware growing pains' thread...) but the advantages outweigh that. Also, this is the hardware with laptops...

Equally it would be nice to see arm branch maturing more - devices like the Pi are so cheap thay can be bought on a whim, but does your average casual useer want to get bogged down in the intricacies of Linux or the bloat of Windows on what's supposed to be a cheap and simple device? That's where AROS could absolutely shine. And if AROS was ever to run on an arm tablet, that would be pretty great too (and despite the thread on another site the UI works fine on a touchscreen, I know because I've done it).

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited too about the potential for AROS on 68k, just so long as it's doesn't become the only focus.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: Showing AROS at Recursion computer fair in July

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So, here's what I'm planning to show at this year's Stratford Recursion computer fair:

On the core 2 duo desktop I'm running Cube2 and the classic Speedball via Janus, to be played simultaneously via a usb dual joystick controller for Cube2 and an 80s vintage joystick for Speedball (interfaced via the gameports on the Lyra keyboard). The idea is not just to show the 3D and emulation capabilities of AROS, but also how powerful Trident is, being able to configure the different inputs to be directed to the two programs. Now, I tried this trick a couple of years ago but I found that whichever program was not in focus ran slowly. However, trying it now they are both running fine - I guess AROS has got a bit faster in the last couple of years

On the core 2 duo laptop I'm running my 'all about AROS' presentation made in Hollywood designer. It's the one from last year but I've tried to make it a bit more visually engaging with AROS 'eyes' as the bullet points for the tables of contents which spin around when the pointer is over them. Most pages also have a slideshow of images and there's an embedded video to show OWB accessing YouTube.

I'm taking along the pentium desktop, mainly to show that AROS can run on really old Intel hardware. On this one I've made a little Hollywood app that, when icons from the top level draws in sys: are dropped on it, it gives information about the contents of that draw. The idea is to demonstrate the logical layout there (as compared to, say, Windows...) Running alongside that will be Primate Plunge, to give the children something to play on if their parent's are looking through sys:.

On the Samsung I'll have something I've been working on for the day job via Hollywood's RapaGUI. It started off as a interactive whiteboard program as we've been having some issues with the commercial software here; currently it's pretty limited but you can draw vector freehand objects in different colours (and erase them), either to a multi-page blank document or a copy of the desktop and save off the results as a PDF. I'm hoping to expand it to a full vector drawing program, but that's some way off yet. Anyway, I've been getting a bit annoyed at the Windows and Mac adverts saying how clever thay are that you can draw over the screen with them. Now, I was planning to show AROS playing a DVD anyway, so I though why not combine the two? I've added a video layer to the program so you can play a video in the window and happily draw all over it with the frehand tool (either with the video playing or paused). I never did get the touchscreen working for the laptop (the only one I could find in the correct size was on glass, which was just too thick and, unfortunately, fragile...) so the drawing will have to be via our graphics tablet.

I'm looking forwards to the show, and I hope the visitors find the displays interesting.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: Vampire hyper threading and aros smp

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When I first heard about SMP being added to x64, I wondered if it could benefit also possible 'experimental' architectures like, for instance, a custom version of UAE using 2 or more 68K cores. The Vampire team is now achieving a series of technological developments over the original M68K architectures that AROS can support with the right code.

Now I SINCERELY hope that all those amiga-naysayers who never understood the importance of having a free, independent, easily-customizable AmigaOS re-implementation will finally find their answer. Vampire team is evolving the Amiga platform. AROS is evolving the Amiga platform. The others just sell old code (sometimes they even not developed). And that's all.


Nail + head = hit

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: Show me your setup !

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Why you can't add more memory ? It's rambus memory ?

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I tried adding more memory that should have been compatable, but the machine refused to boot. It is just an experimental machine, so I'm not too fussed. My main desktop machine has 3 GB ram, laptop 2 GB and netbook 1 GB so it's not really a limiting factor

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: Show me your setup !

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nice :) , you run Icaros on pentium III ?

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When I have more time, I would try Aros too :)


I have it running on a Dell pentium IV with 128 MB ram; it actually runs really well, the biggest limitation is the relatively small amount of memory (so no more than one web page open at a time in OWB...)

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: Show me your setup !

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nice :) , you run Icaros on pentium III ?


Nah, it's just the case. Inside is a Core 2 Duo board I found on the street that happens to work really well with AROS. I'd like something that looks more Amiga-like but there doesn't seem to be anything on the market.

I am thinking of investing in a new set of Amiga-style keycaps though..


I've one of those cases - it used to house my A1200 when it was my main machine and had lots of drives attached to it (one scsi hard drive, one IDE hard drive, a DVD, a CDRW, a LS120 and one floppy, as I remember). It's a bit of a monster, though - it's now in our loft as I've slimmed the A1200 down and now have it in a desktop case.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: Show me your setup !

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You have a good computer for aros, mine is very old when i start janus, owb becomes unusable and then the rest of the applications but if i do not start the emulator it's okay, i spent 30 euros on this computer including shipping.

hi :)


Try starting Janus with a priority of -1. I use a little script:

cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator
changetaskpri -1
run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil:
cd sys:prefs
endcli

This stops it hogging all the CPU time.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: current state of aros 68k..

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OK - I'll see if can get serial logs from the machines.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: current state of aros 68k..

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i have never tried to boot an amiga with an aros floppy or at least i cannot remember it, so i cannot comment on that. but decompressing aros to drive with a bootable partition, be it a cf card, and adding arospootstrap followed by kickstart image file should produce a bootable environment. i have already posted dozens of instructions, how to do that all over the forums. if a particular configuration doesnt work, its not because developers do not care but rather that none provided usable bug report. better to check and ask such questions beforehand than after.


Yes, the boot disk option is to allow the live cd to be tried even if the Amiga can't boot from cd (which is the case for both of mine).

In terms of installing, it's not an option for the A500 as it has no hard drive, just a floppy and A570 cd. As mentioned, the A1200 has a CF card but it's fully populated with partitions already, and after the scare of thinking it was dead last year, and the subsequent efforts to rejuvinate it, I now have it running really nicely and don't feel like messing that up. Having said that, I do have an old LS120 lying around; I could try setting that up as a boot disk - depends if it can be mounted via a pata to usb convertor by my desktop.

I'm certainly not going to bother any of the devs over this hardware as both are rare cases - I only offered to post up the error message in case it was felt it would be useful. I really was just curious as to how well AROS 68k ran these days and to see if it might be possible to demonstrate it at the show; I'm quite happy to keep AmigaOS for my Amigas and AROS for my laptop, netbook, desktop, other desktop, media server...

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Re: current state of aros 68k..

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Had a bit of a disappointing evening yesterday. Following reports of some bug fixes, and as it's coming up to the Stratford computer fair again soon, I thought I'd give AROS 68k another go on my Amigas (actually download from 6.6.17 which was not booting on Janus but I thought had been noted as working on actual hardware).

Now, I should say that both machines I have are a bit unusual. The A1200 has a Blizzard '060/PPC accelerator and 64 MB ram along with a 4-way IDE splitter off which is a CF card plus optical CDRW and OS 3.1 rom. The A500 has a B5000 accelerator ('020 with 4 MB fast ram) along with the fat Agnes hack to give 1 MB chip ram, another I MB slow ram in the trapdoor and OS2 rom. It also has a 'dodgy' A570 CD drive off the side expansion slot ('dodgy' because some years ago it stopped being able to boot the mahcine from a CD).

The A1200 has never booted AROS 68k and there was the same result last night. I booted from the AROS boot floppy but after the reset the machine just died - no boot activity and a blank screen with a power cycle requrired to bring the machine back (to a normal AmigaOS boot). To be honest, that was no great suprise. More disappointing was the A500, which has booted AROS 68k in the past (but was too slow to be useable). It ran the boot disk fine, but then immediately on reboot threw up an 'illegal instruction' error.* If it would be useful to take a piccy of the error (it was consistent on evey reboot I tried) I could do that, or the devs may think this hardware is too weird to be viable for AROS.

Cheers,
Nigel.

* I just thought - I didn't try booting with no startup-sequence. I'll have to give that a go.

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