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Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

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Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

Using ICAROS DEKSTOP V1.2 Live further to be named in the report as AROS
Nightly pc-i386 build Dec 2 2009 SVN:32073

Booting from HDD secondary Master with one partition of 3 gb the rest is empty space.
No further HDD are in this system.
System mainboard asus p4p800 deluxe with ati radeon 97xx series graphix card.
A second usb controller attached in pci slot not using this in this test
Using mainboard usb controller usb stick attached.

Using 2 different USB Sticks for testing.
- Kingston Datatraveler 4gb
- Peak Flash III 4gb USB2.0
- I am expecting more sticks later to be tested.

Booting up in AROS vesa best fit ,true colour, floppy disabled.
Not mentioned anymore in this report.

Aros boots as expected. With no sign of problems.
Kingston Datatraveler pluged in.

Running hdtoolbox

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selecting USBSCSI.device.

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Selecting unit 0
Table type created pc-mbr
The above picture was accomplished by doing after every change a reboot.

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Made a partition 0 by selecting add entry selecting partition type aros partition table saving changes / reboot again .
Create table type RDB
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and saving change / reboot again

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After reboot and running hdtoolbox again I get a new partition 0 with RDB partition table.

Selecting partition 0 results in a empty field selecting the add entry

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Results in selecting an unselected empty .

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After selecting empty

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I get a DH0 saving changes and reboot again.

Now comes the strange part…
After reboot and running hdtoolbbox

Using the create table in this part to set the unknown partition table.
And setting it to RDB it seems it doesn’t saves the changes because it shows partition table unknown again.

Using a shell command INFO doesn’t show me a UMSD.

I can repeat this every time I change it and after the reboot it “changed” or doesn’t save the partition table.

If I use the following procedure from the AROS website manual installing HDD
I get the following results.

After setting back usbscsi.device to only unit 0 with no entries I rebooted

After reboot I could use this as start from the website manual hdd install
It gets weird after creating partition 0

Size: <Partition size. Almost equal to HD size>
Partition table: Unknown <Not created yet>
Partition type: AROS RDB Partition table <That's OK>
Active: No <Not active>
Bootable: No <Not bootable>
Automount: No <Will not mount on system startup>

I choose to create partition table RDB saved the changes and rebooted.

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After reboot and starting up hdtoolbox I get the above picture it erased all the settings and unit 0 = a RDB Partition table.

for now stops my test with kingston datatraveler more to come later.

Any sugestions or feedback are welcome to make it a succes.

Posted on: 2010/2/22 19:38
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Re: Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

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Quote:

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I get a DH0 saving changes and reboot again.

Now comes the strange part…
After reboot and running hdtoolbbox

Using the create table in this part to set the unknown partition table.
And setting it to RDB it seems it doesn’t saves the changes because it shows partition table unknown again.


Im confused - why are you trying to create another RDB table (youve already done this..) on the RDB partition ..

After creating/resizing your DH0, you should be done enough that you can use InstallAROS to format/copy AROS to the stick..

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Using a shell command INFO doesn’t show me a UMSD.

I can repeat this every time I change it and after the reboot it “changed” or doesn’t save the partition table.

If I use the following procedure from the AROS website manual installing HDD
I get the following results.

After setting back usbscsi.device to only unit 0 with no entries I rebooted

After reboot I could use this as start from the website manual hdd install
It gets weird after creating partition 0

Size: <Partition size. Almost equal to HD size>
Partition table: Unknown <Not created yet>
Partition type: AROS RDB Partition table <That's OK>
Active: No <Not active>
Bootable: No <Not bootable>
Automount: No <Will not mount on system startup>

I choose to create partition table RDB saved the changes and rebooted.

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After reboot and starting up hdtoolbox I get the above picture it erased all the settings and unit 0 = a RDB Partition table.

for now stops my test with kingston datatraveler more to come later.

Any sugestions or feedback are welcome to make it a succes.

Posted on: 2010/2/23 1:48
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Re: Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

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When i dont do this the installer can't seem to see a dh0 or umsd:

maybe i am doing something wrong but ill have done this order with slight change many times and the typing th INFO in a shell doesn't come up with a nondos UMSD:

thank you for your comments i will change the procedure today for further experimentation.

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Oke what i have managed to discover is the following.

If i use the manual from the website how to manualy install a HDD. it seems that the outcome is allways the same.

i Used 3 different USB Sticks and had the same outcome.

Sticks used:

4gb kingston datatraveller
4gb Peak III flash
2gb Kingston


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If I use the following procedure from the AROS website manual installing HDD
I get the following results.

After setting back usbscsi.device to only unit 0 with no entries I rebooted

After reboot I could use this as start from the website manual hdd install
It gets weird after creating partition 0

Size: <Partition size. Almost equal to HD size>
Partition table: Unknown <Not created yet>
Partition type: AROS RDB Partition table <That's OK>
Active: No <Not active>
Bootable: No <Not bootable>
Automount: No <Will not mount on system startup>

I choose to create partition table RDB saved the changes and rebooted.

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After reboot and starting up hdtoolbox I get the above picture it erased all the settings and unit 0 = a RDB Partition table.



As the previous test wich i started with.
I took a different aproach, i reconcidered to stick to the websites manual hdd install.

After a while i decided to do some thing different.
I formated a usb stick in a windows machine to fat12/16
After that, i changed the partition table to RDB in aros machine( JUST FOR TEST ) and rebooted checked it again with hdtoolbox

I checked it with a shell by using INFO
And this is what i noticed

In the shell it tells me it is still a fat 12.
When trying to format it in SFS it gives me an error while locking the drive.

Is this a hdtoolbox issue??
Or is this just me ? :)

More to come....

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Re: Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

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Why are you using:

Nightly pc-i386 build Dec 2 2009 SVN:32073

This is an old nightly build. Why not test with the latest? If it is indeed a problem as you describe, it can be fixed sooner as then the developer team can test for this bug in the later nighly builds which would help them establish if it is still a problem...

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Re: Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

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Hercules thanx for your comments it seems that after testing the latest nightly build of feb 27 2010 svn:32735 has the same issue.
Tested with the kingston 4gb datatraveller only.

For now i gone use this build for the rest of my coming tests.

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Not all types of partition are recognised/mounted on USB drives. This is because Poseidon doesn't use partition.library. I started some work to get it to do so, but it's not finished yet.

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thanx i am happy to here that so it is confirmed, do you know wich type i can use to get it mounted/formated recoqnized ??

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@mazhive
Before ncafferkey has time to make the fix you're looking for, why not try the following in the meantime.

GRUB2 allows you to set a loopback device (I believe that's what it's called), meaning you can mount and run an .iso using GRUB2. What that means is you should be able to format a USB flash drive with any file system that GRUB2 supports (ext3 for example), install GRUB2 to the USB flash drive and run an Icaros live CD/DVD .iso from this drive.

It's not an ideal solution, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work (if you want AROS to boot from a flash drive right now, it's an option). Let me know if you would like any help with this.

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Re: Testing usb sticks for booting up AROS.

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thanx for your reply ,.

I think that would be a alternative ,... i am on irc ones in a while . And yes i could use a little help with that.. so i can make a alternative report to post here.
I really appreciate it if you could come and discuss it on irc with me in maybe a PM .. thanks... in the mean while i will fool around with this alternative. I expect somewhere before the weekend.. :)




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