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AROS-Exec : File Area for AROS is open for business!

Posted by NovaBurst on 2005/8/29 14:05:05 (7032 reads )

The AROS Archives is up and ready to accept your files!

This web site will be the main repository for all AROS software, but we need your help. Software needs to be uploaded to the site. Developers are definitely encouraged to upload their own software.

The site has went through some changes. We started out with a Microsoft ASP coded site, but with help from Björn Hagström, we were able to have the site coded in PHP, which makes it much easier to maintain.
Damir Sijakovic did a great job on the design for The AROS Archives.

This web site is supported by AROS-exec.org and is located at http://archives.aros-exec.org

I want to thank the following people for their help with the project.

Björn Hagström
Damir Sijakovic
Ola "4pLaY" Jensen
Nicolas "nicomen" Mendoza

If you have any questions, please post here in the forum, ask in IRC or e-mail archives@aros-exec.org

Thanks and enjoy!

Paul J. Beel
aka NovaBurst

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damocles	Posted: 2005/8/29 16:43 Updated: 2005/8/29 16:43
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Tequesta FL USA Posts: 1668	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Nice work all! Dammy

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os4depot	Posted: 2005/8/30 4:55 Updated: 2005/8/30 4:55
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/8/14 From: Sweden Posts: 61	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I'll update the rss feeds as soon as I find the time. /Björn

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freaks	Posted: 2005/8/30 10:48 Updated: 2005/8/30 10:48
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2004/9/18 From: Posts: 31	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! congrats all now someone will fill it with the already existing softs for aros? it looks sad, with just 1 file in the repo ;) keep up the good work

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NovaBurst	Posted: 2005/8/30 13:18 Updated: 2005/8/30 13:18
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/24 From: USA Posts: 213	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Freaks, feel free to upload software to it.

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amigean	Posted: 2005/8/30 15:08 Updated: 2005/8/30 15:08
Just can't stay away Joined: 2004/4/2 From: EU Posts: 114	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Great work! While no doubt all software released for AROS from now on with be uploaded in the archive, the same is not certain for currently existing software, as the authors may not find the time/be bothered to upload old stuff there. Would it be ok if we got a copy of Aros-max and started LHA'ing and uploading existing stuff? (I think this is what Freaks meant)

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NovaBurst	Posted: 2005/8/30 15:46 Updated: 2005/8/30 15:54
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/24 From: USA Posts: 213	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Sure, I think that is a very good idea Amigean. We definitely need some help with filling the site with software. It would be nice to have all of the AROS-Max software in the Archives.

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os4depot	Posted: 2005/8/30 15:58 Updated: 2005/8/30 15:58
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/8/14 From: Sweden Posts: 61	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! 18 downloads of lcdtest.lha. Shows that there's some interest out there :)

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Kalamatee	Posted: 2005/8/30 18:02 Updated: 2005/8/30 18:02
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Scotland "The Cold" Posts: 793	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Well, I have a couple of comments, First, How do you identify which flavour of AROS a file is for? I wouldnt mind seeing a dropdown above the categories to select if its for x86, PPC, etc - And it wouldnt need every flavour at this level since the applications should work across native/hosted etc. Also, would a category above the "application/tool" etc ones for the main Core for the chosen system be out of place? [AROS x86] --Categories---- * AROS System Files * Audio * Datatype * Demo ... etc ..?

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Kalamatee	Posted: 2005/8/30 18:05 Updated: 2005/8/30 18:05
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Scotland "The Cold" Posts: 793	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Oh, and could you enforce some naming convention on files which will have versions available for other platforms.. its annoying having to rename them manually. perhaps when you click on a file to view its info, it could also linked-list what other architectures it is available for.

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NovaBurst	Posted: 2005/8/30 19:32 Updated: 2005/8/30 19:37
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/24 From: USA Posts: 213	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I was talking to Björn about this and the best way right now is probably to include the platform in the readme.txt of the software you upload. You could also use the keywords that have been added on the Submit page. http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=submit

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Kalamatee	Posted: 2005/8/31 6:55 Updated: 2005/8/31 6:58
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Scotland "The Cold" Posts: 793	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Thats really not what I mean at all, So you either have to manually search for keywords to find suitable software or dig through a list of "packages for all" .... NO THANKS. Neither do i consider having multiple "flavours" in a single archive as a good idea - who wants to download a load of software and have to manually delete half the stuff because its irrelevant for their platform? The files themselves should be clearly identified as being for a particular platform (x86,PPC,n68k) so if i download the same package for 2 flavours of AROS i wont have conflicting files - I really dont see its a big issue to do. Im sure the current layout works great for AmigaoS (m68k only), or MorphOS (PPC only) but AROS is designed to support multiple architectures. If this isnt addressed properly now its just going to cause headaches - and imo be a total unuseable mess (tm)

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Anonymous Coward	Posted: 2005/8/31 8:14 Updated: 2005/8/31 8:14
	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Quote: The files themselves should be clearly identified as being for a particular platform (x86,PPC,n68k) so if i download the same package for 2 flavours of AROS i wont have conflicting files - I really dont see its a big issue to do. Why not using a color-code for fonts or borders? Something like the red/blue campers concept color-code? Say red is 68k, blue is PPC, BlackOnWhite (default) x86, etc. It could be a tag in the description file, a check-mark when uploading... In Aros itself, the executables for a peculiar platform are very easy to distinguish.

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os4depot	Posted: 2005/8/31 9:03 Updated: 2005/8/31 9:06
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/8/14 From: Sweden Posts: 61	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Just to explain the situation a bit. Novaburst has, as a part of the agreement to use the file depot engine, the option to modify the core code if he so wishes. However doing so means that he cannot recieve bug fixes and updates that are made in the File depot software without major hands on work (which I will not do). Parts of the software is configurable and I've made, and will make, several adjustments of the core to handle the different needs of the AROS site and the OS4Depot one. Mainly related to skinning, but also other configuration related stuff. But I can only go a certain way to expand the core to handle different requirements. And currently it is just a matter of a few clicks in the online administration GUI for the filedepot software to update the AROS archives to the latest version. At this time I do not have the time to add the features that are discussed in this thread. There's other stuff that has higher priority to get fixed in the core. So you can either decide to break off from the main development tree Or try to find a way to fit your requirements into the current system, like using the keywords. I could ofcourse add something like what you are suggesting, though something that fits into the overall system, to the core in the future. But not at this time. /Björn

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Kalamatee	Posted: 2005/8/31 15:30 Updated: 2005/8/31 15:32
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Scotland "The Cold" Posts: 793	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Quote: Just to explain the situation a bit. Novaburst has, as a part of the agreement to use the file depot engine, the option to modify the core code if he so wishes. However doing so means that he cannot recieve bug fixes and updates that are made in the File depot software without major hands on work (which I will not do). Parts of the software is configurable and I've made, and will make, several adjustments of the core to handle the different needs of the AROS site and the OS4Depot one. Mainly related to skinning, but also other configuration related stuff. But I can only go a certain way to expand the core to handle different requirements. And currently it is just a matter of a few clicks in the online administration GUI for the filedepot software to update the AROS archives to the latest version. At this time I do not have the time to add the features that are discussed in this thread. There's other stuff that has higher priority to get fixed in the core. I appreciate what your doing for the AROS community - please dont get me wrong, but IMHO the current format isnt suited to the multi architecture nature of AROS. im not too familiar with how the file software works but Ideally the sumbit page would create a record in 2 databases - one a "total" list of packages, the second containing individual "flavours" of each package. Someone submitting the package should be able to select a tick box or whatever for what platform the binaries run on, and everything else should be relatively autonimous. Quote: So you can either decide to break off from the main development tree Or try to find a way to fit your requirements into the current system, like using the keywords. Not sure what this means, the main development in AROS has not a thing to do with the file repository and never will - its just a location to get third party software FOR aros. The current option of just using keywords doesnt work/wont work. So when we start getting x86, PPC, and whatever else binaries commited - we are just to be "sattisfied" with one complete list we have to traul through looking for a suitable package which may or may not even have keywords identifying what platform its for.... Quote: I could ofcourse add something like what you are suggesting, though something that fits into the overall system, to the core in the future. But not at this time. Its not for me to say wether u should or not - logic should be enough to dictate it. Im a bit saddened people are keen to rush "important" things for AROS and not be bothered with doing it properly sigh Especially when they intend it to be the main repository of AROS software.

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os4depot	Posted: 2005/8/31 16:03 Updated: 2005/8/31 16:04
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/8/14 From: Sweden Posts: 61	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Quote: I appreciate what your doing for the AROS community - please dont get me wrong, but IMHO the current format isnt suited to the multi architecture nature of AROS. I don't think you understand my part of the contribution. I contributed the File depot software as is for those who asked for it. I didn't write the File Depot software specifically FOR the Aros community. Quote: Someone submitting the package should be able to select a tick box or whatever for what platform the binaries run on, and everything else should be relatively autonimous. Which can be done using the keywords field for now OR novaburst can choose to ignore future developemnt of the File depot software and branch it off into his own version. Quote: Not sure what this means, the main development in AROS has not a thing to do with the file repository and never will - its just a location to get third party software FOR aros. Utterly total misunderstanding by you. I was talking about the software that builds up the File Depot portals, Not AROS software. Quote: Its not for me to say wether u should or not - logic should be enough to dictate it. Im a bit saddened people are keen to rush "important" things for AROS and not be bothered with doing it properly sigh Especially when they intend it to be the main repository of AROS software. Again you seem to misunderstand my role in this. I supplied the base software as is for novabursts effort. It is not my place nor interest to be a developer for a specified AROS branch of the File Depot software. Any blaim for rushing or any other intentions for this effort will have to be directed at those responsible for the effort. I am not one of those persons. I repeat, either you choose to branch the File Depot software or you try to use it as best you can in the current form. Both ways has its benefits and drawbacks as explained in the previous message. Or, naturally, you can build your own 'perfect for aros' file repository and go with that. Either way is fine by me. It is not my role to have any interest either way, I just provide A solution to those that was interested in it. I will ofcourse listen to ideas and suggestions and add them best I can to the core File Depot software (which will have to run transparently on all File Depot archives). However as I explained in the previous message, I cannot prioritise this particular feature at this time since there are a lot of other stuff that needs to be done. /Björn

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michalsc	Posted: 2005/8/31 15:59 Updated: 2005/8/31 15:59
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/30 From: Clausthal-Zellerfeld, Germany Posts: 295	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I would like to propose a temporary solution which could be just borrowed from the linux world. Since linux (just like AROS) is a multiplafrom operating system existing for many architectures, they do have to distinguish binaries for different architectures. We could do the same for a while. Additional i386, ppc, sparch, arm, m68k or src postfix in the name of the archive. That would save lots of stress for us and people who would just download some binaries from aros file area and complain that they do not even try to load.

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NovaBurst	Posted: 2005/8/31 18:19 Updated: 2005/8/31 18:19
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/24 From: USA Posts: 213	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! We have discussed this more on IRC and tonight I will update the site to include instructions for a file naming convention that should help us, just like Michal has suggested. I have also discussed this with Kal and I think we are all starting to understand the situation a bit better.

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NovaBurst	Posted: 2005/9/2 1:04 Updated: 2005/9/2 1:04
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/24 From: USA Posts: 213	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I have placed the naming convention on the web site. I put it on the submit page at the top. Hopefully this will help us with files for different platforms.

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os4depot	Posted: 2005/9/2 10:28 Updated: 2005/9/2 10:33
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/8/14 From: Sweden Posts: 61	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! To Novaburst: I added it to a cust/ file and in the user manual. We really should have had a mailing list for this. With us not being in the same time zone and all. It would also be a good idea to mention how to name source only packages in the help file. (Which can target different specific architectures as well as being generic to any aros architecture) /Björn

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pixie	Posted: 2005/8/31 13:37 Updated: 2005/8/31 13:37
Moderator Joined: 2004/3/30 From: Figueira da Foz - Portugal Posts: 519	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Aros had turn green!!!

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Fred	Posted: 2005/9/1 14:24 Updated: 2005/9/1 14:24
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/4/7 From: Grosseto/Milano, Italia Posts: 111	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I totally agree with the suffix naming strategy. It works pretty well for Linux and I suppose we can happily borrow it. The only thing I wonder is if there's any chance being on the readme html page of a certain "package" to have a list of files to download so to have in a single page all the flavours a program comes into. It should help having things well sorted. Of course I find my request interesting only if doesn't require a new development branch to the Archive's software. Ciao, Fred PS: your choice to answer to this comment or to the topic I created in the main forum.

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os4depot	Posted: 2005/9/2 10:39 Updated: 2005/9/2 10:39
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/8/14 From: Sweden Posts: 61	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! To fred: A stopgap measure could be to list all similarly named archives in a category on the readme page. For myapp.i386.zip ---------------------------------------- Similar archives: myapp.68k.lha, Download myapp.arm.tar.gz, Download myapp.ppc.zip, Download ---------------------------------------- (Ie, a wildcard search for "myapp*") I could add this to the core with relative ease should you want me to. /Björn

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Fred	Posted: 2005/9/2 12:38 Updated: 2005/9/2 12:38
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/4/7 From: Grosseto/Milano, Italia Posts: 111	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I have no idea about what the other guys may think about it but what Bjorn just stated seems exactly what I meant with my previous "verbose" comment: have in the readme page the list of all the myapp* versions available with the naming comvention we discussed before. I suppose that even with the presence of sources archives it would be "quite" easy to do something like: myapp.src.x86.lha myapp.src.68k.lha myapp.src.arm.tar.gz myapp.src.ppc.zip ... myapp.src.multi.zip Of course with the "multi" archive the problem that would arise might be: which damn platform is not supported? About this last issue I don't see many ways out... any idea other than writing it in the file comment? Ciao, Fred

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Allanon	Posted: 2005/9/4 17:45 Updated: 2005/9/4 17:46
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/2 From: Grosseto, Italy Posts: 305	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Well, this is my opinion... we can use the name convention with a "masked string", ie we have the app named "myapp.lha", and a 10 char string (or any lenght you want) that explain what platform are supported. For example we decide that the string meaning is: 1st char -> i386 2nd char -> 68k 3rd char -> arm 4th char -> ppc and so on... the apps name will became "myapp.XX-X.lha" that means that are supported i386, 68k and ppc... I don't know if I've expressed myself correctly... Maybe the filename will became a bit weird, but with more informations.

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Fred	Posted: 2005/9/4 22:21 Updated: 2005/9/4 22:21
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/4/7 From: Grosseto/Milano, Italia Posts: 111	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Working with masks may be very interesting to have the proper informations for every single file but I don't know how easy is to code everything in a mask for the programs there will be in the archive. I mean... I'm a bit concerned on how and who will actually code that string in the filename (developers? archive keepers? random users?) and/or if it will be hand made or there will be any tool to add that code to any given file name (doing that by hand may add errors more than any simple coding like "x86" tag may do). Actually I suppose that for files that require a lot of informations, an xml file in the archive may help much more. But of course I can be wrong...

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Allanon	Posted: 2005/9/6 7:05 Updated: 2005/9/6 7:05
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/2 From: Grosseto, Italy Posts: 305	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I think that archive keepers should define the mask and delvelopers, who know perfectly for which platform they are coding, should build the file name following the rules. Maybe this process can generate errors, but I see very difficult to make this task automated. About xml file, you're right, but with masks the users can find what they are lookin' for just searching, for exemple, the 2nd "X" in the mask... I think that filtering apps for a given platform should be more easy, but I'm not a web dev!

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Fred	Posted: 2005/9/6 21:12 Updated: 2005/9/6 21:12
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/4/7 From: Grosseto/Milano, Italia Posts: 111	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! Uhm.. the more I think about the installer/package manager process on a modern OS the more my head hurts. I started discussing it in the main forum with a thread and things seem to be more complex than expected if the need is to build something great and not just a workaround for some time. Cheers, Fred

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Sprocki	Posted: 2005/9/21 11:28 Updated: 2005/9/21 11:28
Just can't stay away Joined: 2004/3/31 From: Posts: 117	Re: File Area for AROS is open for business! I am still missing a permanent direct link to the archive on top of this page - visable for everybody.